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The Fintech Espresso Break – Johnathan Dixon, Eventus

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Hello guys, welcome to the Fintech Espresso Break. I’m your host Isabelle Castro. This week I shared my espresso break with Jonathan Dixon, Director of Regulatory Affairs at Eventus.

This yr, it has been troublesome to disregard the mounting strain on regulators relating to crypto. Whether or not it’s been stonewalled or embraced, the sector has been crying out for clear tips.

Earlier this yr, Europe made historical past by passing the MICA regulation, one of many first complete regulatory frameworks addressing digital belongings. Whereas it’s solely a primary step, it’s a serious step for the business.

Eventus focuses on commerce surveillance on a world scale, an necessary a part of regulatory compliance. So I sat down with Jonathan to speak in regards to the implications MICA might need. We spoke in regards to the European guidelines, the impact on companies in Europe, and the way companies can stay.

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Isabelle Castro:

How are you at the moment?

Johnathan Dixon: 1:00

I’m good. Hello,Isabella. It’s a great day. I’ve obtained the builders in. I’ve obtained some new decking going up within the backyard. So at the moment have massive adventures and good things. So I’m, I’m actually completely happy to be right here.

Isabelle Castro: 1:10

All ready for the summer time. Good. I like that. So to start with, I’m going to start out with what will get you up within the morning?

Johnathan Dixon: 1:23

Effectively, two fundamental issues get me up within the morning, one, a really great amount of espresso. And to my canine, I’ve three canine that leap on the mattress and are very excited to be fed at about630 each morning. So these two issues, positively get me up when it comes to my work. It’s a query of what actually evokes me and what do I like doing and I, for higher or for worse, I like commerce occasions, it genuinely excites me. I feel it’s a extremely thrilling place to be working in occasions as an organization that retains me on my toes and retains me working arduous. So when it comes to giving up caffeine, caffeine and canine when it comes to inspiring me for work, positively loving what I do.

Isabelle Castro: 2:03

Good, good. I’m excited to study extra about commerce surveillance, particularly with the micro laws coming into impact. However earlier than that, how about you begin by simply telling me a bit about your profession journey to occasion us?

Johnathan Dixon: 2:19

Yeah, certain. So it falls into two elements. The primary half was pre commerce trades occasions.Why? What’s a little bit of sound as coping with information and EMI for about eight years within the Metropolis of London. I then began working in trades occasion for a tier one financial institution within the metropolis. I headed up their wealth trades occasion piece for about 4 or 5 years and in addition wasn’t there apart from as effectively. After which I used to be impacted by some intelligent redundancies, I began working as consultancy.I did that for a brief period of time, I used to be headhunted to work at Kraken, Europe’s largest crypto alternate by quantity, and one of many largest globally,the place I headed up their commerce occasions for 3 years earlier than I then began working at occasions the place I’m now on the director of Regulatory Affairs for AMEA,and I’ve actually loved my journey to date.

Isabelle Castro: 3:10

Yeah, it’s a extremely good journey and sort of takes under consideration every thing that we’re most likely going to be speaking in regards to the crypto business as effectively. So, yeah,we’re gonna see MICA coming into impact on the finish of 2024. Nevertheless it’s simply been sort of authorized.And there’s additionally different regulatory regimes which are within the course of. I feel Britain can be their strategy.What do you assume goes to be the impact on companies already out there? We’ll give attention to MICA simply because we all know the place we’re with MiCA for Yeah, what’s going to be the impact of MiCA on companies?

Johnathan Dixon: 3:53

I feel there’s a few areas that there’s going to be an ideal import for companies, I feel the three ones that I’d actually give attention to are authorization, so guaranteeing that corporations get themselves authorized and signed as much as working throughout the framework of MICA. Secondly, AML laws,so guaranteeing that you simply do KYC, one commonplace buyer base, and when it’s authorized, whether or not that’s tiered verification or how they wish to undertake it, I’m certain we’ll have some extra clarification because it progresses, however basically AML and the second key tenet,thirdly, you’re trades, so that you’re ensuring that corporations are conscious of potential manipulation instances that will happen. Platforms,although, have incited any instances that will happen on their platforms. And lastly, associated to all of this type of fourth key actually document maintaining understanding that that you must have detailed data of your transactions, the shoppers and understanding that you simply’re constructing out a larger regulatory capability inside your corporations and I mentioned this as soon as earlier than on one other podcast, and that was in the event you don’t have the funds to have the ability to do correct KYC and do correct commerce surveillance, you most likely don’t have the funds to be working.And it’s about guaranteeing that you’re compliant and defend your prospects as a result of MICA is essentially about defending retail. I feel that’s the place it actually lies and we’re at strike this.

Isabelle Castro: 5:15

Yeah, it’s it’s a very long time coming. Any sort of regulation like this within the crypto house is a very long time coming. So lots of people are seeing MiCA as a constructive step and one for others to observe. Is that this the case? Is that this simply step one? Do you hope that folks will sort of enhance on it? What’s your opinion on MICA because it stands proper now.

Johnathan Dixon: 5:42

I’d be very cautious about saying enhance personally, as a result of I don’t wish to say then we could possibly be doing higher than our superb European model than the match to do to date. I’d say that the HMT session paper we’ve seen within the UK exhibits that the UK is attempting to catch up fairly quickly the place mica goes. I feel that’s a constructive factor. I additionally assume we’re the place you lead the world will observe the place one of many largest buying and selling bloc’s on this planet, I feel if crypto can discover a secure and safe place for corporations to function, and that bears fruit, it behoves the remainder of the world to combat and to go the place Europe is leaving, I’d say that it’s not what’s the is groundbreaking and novel when it comes to being the primary dessert. When it comes to what it’s doing. It’s nothing that we haven’t seen lined by technique two, relating to document maintaining. Nothing we haven’t seen relating to MMA relating to commerce surveillance when it comes to what you’re on the lookout for when it comes to market peace. It’s most likely not something too unique relating to AML and KYC laws and other people know what they must be doing.So we’re not workers being skilled as much as study a brand new ability, what we’re trying on the workers and the parts whereas being skilled as much as study an present ability within the new business. I feel that that implies that we’re your leads the world will fall on can observe.It’s a matter of simply getting individuals over the road, I feel,a number of the political difficulties within the US. I imply,it’s more durable to get a few of these issues over the road. I feel the way in which the political system works within the UK means a bit simpler. I feel we’ve already seen in some areas like Hong Kong, for instance, laws already been put in place. And also you have a look at the UAE there’s already a regulation that poster as effectively. So I feel it’s the most important buying and selling bloc to implement severe reform. I don’t assume it’s going to be technically the primary relating to buying and selling occasions. And nor will it’s the final.

Isabelle Castro: 7:38

I’m glad that you simply introduced up the US. I imply,you may’t actually discuss crypto regulation with out mentioning the US proper now.Clearly, like proper now, the US is sort of taking this stance of there’s already sufficient regulation. Folks simply must be compliant. I imply, AML and KYC. And people sorts of factor,that sort of side of mica,there are already issues in place, proper, that folks may be compliant with within the US and inventors works throughout the US.How would you advise corporations throughout the US house proper now to sort of preserve a sure stage of compliance the place they will?

Johnathan Dixon: 8:27

I feel the issue is within the US lie the what we’re seeing, particularly in commerce surveillance, is regulation var enforcement and regulation for enforcement and also you don’t know what you’ve achieved incorrect till you advised you that you simply’ve achieved it incorrect. Proper. So that you’re having instances come up when individuals go away? No, effectively, these are securities, we’ve determined they’re securities. Subsequently,any buying and selling exercise that we deem to be manipulative or insider associated to them is now going to be beneath our purview.And that that’s troublesome for shoppers with out regulatory certainty and the definition of crypto belongings will definitely assist. In the case of sanctions. We’ve seen fines levied within the US for breaches of sanctions exercise. These are ubiquitous, they’re identified corporations know what they should do they should cowl their bases relating to guaranteeing that they’ve satisfactory sanction screening processes in place, I’d say it’s very comparable for AML Guidelines as effectively. I do know having labored for a tier one alternate that there are shut workings with the regulation enforcement our bodies. And from my expertise in these locations, they’re very, very, very a lot on prime of sustaining good relationships with the regulatory with, with the regulation enforcement aspect of issues particularly, I don’t assume that may change I feel that may keep on. I feel typically talking, fairly than speaking about specifics of the place I’ve labored, it’s necessary to notice that corporations must genuinely keep up to the mark and be proactive about the place these dangers could happen. So sure, you may argue as to what The extent of which the SEC ought to have the correct to implement market manipulation instances relating to crypto. Nevertheless it could possibly be argued that what needs to be in place is knowing a threat when it comes to market manipulation. So what do I feel the remainder of my platform? How can I get there faster? How can I guarantee I’ve an organization like occasions, for instance, that perceive these dangers and work with us and present that we’re defending our platform and our shoppers from the results of malfeasance? I feel that’s the place corporations actually need to get to when it comes to understanding their threat,attending to it faster, and ensuring they’re defending themselves in a proactive vogue. Reasonably than ready for fines. It’s all the time cheaper to construct our workforce than it’s to pay$100 million. Advantageous. Simply, it simply is.

Isabelle Castro: 10:50

No, that’s positively logical. I can think about that these sorts of laws, although, are going to be troublesome for regulators to implement and sort of police,particularly within the early days, it’s such a sort of nascent know-how. What do you assume a number of the greatest challenges could also be for regulators going ahead, for instance, with MICA.

Johnathan Dixon: 11:25

When it comes to the way it’s going to be regulated and carried out, I feel there’ll inevitably be a bit of little bit of a time lag between when regulation goes blind or when corporations are supposed to be compliant. After which enforcement motion, just because it takes time to construct up proof of malfeasance, it takes time to construct up proof of shortcomings and processes,could take time to start out an enforcement motion. I feel personally, they’ll be some check instances, they’ll decide on most likely a number of the bigger gamers. And the place they see a breakdown and processes communication traits,superior plans and threat assessments or threat assessments for AML. They’ll most likely take an instance for the participant and push to see a nice levied the place that will go we don’t know but,as a result of we haven’t seen it go reside. We haven’t seen any breakdown in efficiency. We haven’t seen any, any malfeasance happen but publish regulation. Nevertheless it’s not about saying that market manipulation can’t happen. For instance, it’s about saying if it does happen,you must have a course of in place to seize it, report on it, and cope with it. So we’re by no means going to cease individuals from attempting to launder cash, we’re by no means going to cease individuals from abusing the market. What we are attempting to do is be certain that the place this happens, there’s a course of for coping with these individuals. There’s a workforce in Europe or particular person particular person member states states to cope with these escalations, alerts. They usually’ll pay attention to imposing actions towards them. I feel that’s the important thing factor to remove. It’s not about saying this will’t happen.It’s about guaranteeing that when it does happen, there’s an enforcement course of in place to cope with it. Does that make sense?

Isabelle Castro: 13:13

Yeah, yeah,completely. Do you assume they’ve the capability to do this? Or do you assume I’ve talked to some individuals they usually’ve began speaking about reg tech regulation know-how? Is there a necessity for this? Or are the monetary programs a regulator,are they at present sturdy sufficient to have the ability to tackle such laws like MiCA.

Johnathan Dixon: 13:39

I feel the larger gamers will typically have programs and processes in place as a result of it makes financial sense to do it. As a result of in the event you’re going to have are going to function in a number of jurisdictions, they’ll most likely be some jurisdictions which are acquired. So that you may as effectively roll it up for every thing, it’s simply less expensive to do this, fairly than do one nation at a time have a look at one system at a time when one type of laws at a time, if you are able to do so now globally, it makes extra sense to them. Reasonably than go we’ll simply do one nation after which this nation then add on one other nation, and effectively relies upon the place base the place’s the IP deal with coming? It is sensible simply to go we’ll tear verification, like I attempted to vent and make sense to go, we’ll do surveillance, it tends to make it a bit of bit extra sense. I feel the place you may discover difficulties, the smaller previous who possibly don’t have the financial crucial but to must do it till now. They don’t have the crucial from a regulatory perspective to must do it now. And the place that adjustments when it actually involves the forefront. We’ll see.

To my thoughts personally, possibly a consolidation of gamers within the digital asset house and also you may discover a few of them in each sorts and grouping collectively some a way of guaranteeing they’ve them sources to cope with an issue. As I mentioned, photometric,in the event you don’t have the assets to cope with it, you don’t have the assets to be a participant out there. I feel retail class will naturally navigate in direction of these locations which are compliant as effectively. You wish to guarantee your funds are secure, you wish to make sure you belief your platform.And I all the time argued this earlier than about commerce occasions for crypto and digital belongings. When it wasn’t a regulatory requirement,you need your prospects to really feel secure, whether or not whether or not putting their cash, it takes 20 years to twenty years, 10 years within the digital asset market to construct up your identify. And it might take 10minutes to run it. If individuals assume they will’t belief the method that you simply’re being quoting. If they will’t belief their funds are secure, if they will’t belief that you’ve got a method of guaranteeing their accounts are secure, they’re most likely not going to put the cash with you. So I feel these these causes imply that we’ve most likely confronted a level of corporations doing the correct factor, the larger corporations do the correct factor for some time they need to be prepared.Small corporations may battle.However they’ll both do it and thrive and survive and develop as adaptation will increase, or they’ll all by the wayside.Sadly, it’s my private opinion.

Isabelle Castro: 16:13

Nevertheless it feels like it will make for a safer system.

Johnathan Dixon: 16:19

agreed, I feel the true focus of MICA has all the time been retail. And that’s been an actual key driver, those that take care of cash, those that maintain shopper cash. That’s the place the hassle and the main target is. And that implies that you must have programs and processes in place, and regtech options in place like occasion us to ensure that persons are protected.

Isabelle Castro: 16:40

So now specializing in commerce surveillance, with the commerce surveillance instruments that occasion US has, how are you approaching these upcoming? How do they work? How are you approaching the upcoming mica roles? And the way are corporations sort of partaking with you to do that?

Johnathan Dixon: 17:01

Yeah, that’s a extremely good query. Thanks.So we’re specializing in it the way in which we’d focus working with any of our shoppers, which is knowing their threat, and attending to the danger as shortly as we are able to. And meaning understanding what do they commerce? How do they commerce it?What do their shoppers appear like?And by understanding all of the parts of their enterprise,you may higher perceive the answer into put in place to cope with the dangers and the merchandise providing as effectively. And the instance I all the time give is,it’s gonna be very arduous to spoof Tesla inventory, I imply, your bucket turned out to be tremendous deep,you’d must have a really massive threat. Learn learn very massive capacity to soak up threat to try to transfer it by x proportion and make sufficient cash. And the identical method, it’s going to be fairly arduous to spoof the worth of Bitcoin even trades throughout a number of exchanges, your pockets must be very deep, you must intercept a considerable amount of dangers to take action. However if you wish to spoof Jonathan Coyne with full disclosure is my fundamental perception, private shopper, they wish to quote cash actively {golfing}. And that trades at $10a coin and there’s solely $30,000traded quantity a day or week,your pockets don’t must be deep, to make an influence on the worth. And when you’ve got a number of low cap cash, or low cap digital belongings, and that’s the place most of your quantity is, we’re not saying they’re being manipulated, however the capability for individuals to do it is going to be larger.

So that you won’t pay attention to all of the manipulations methods. When you’re not buying and selling any decrease cap cash aren’t simply buying and selling, whether or not you’re buying and selling Bitcoin, you’re buying and selling eath simply buying and selling issues out actually extremely traded. I’m not saying that any shoppers do that,give me a hypothetical instance.Effectively, then you definitely is perhaps extra involved in washe buying and selling, you is perhaps involved in cross buying and selling, or methods that give the impression of excessive liquidity at sure worth factors, excessive liquidity in your order ebook,when that will or might not be the case. So naturally, most exchanges will surveil the identical types of results and most banks will change will monitor the identical types of issues is the character of the beast, you’re all looking for a similar exercise. However when it comes to the technique for implementation,what you go first the way you go about doing it is dependent upon the enterprise is dependent upon understanding the danger for the enterprise actually covers and appears for. I’d say that’s one in every of our strengths. We’ve some nice instruments, some nice individuals which are tremendous educated about occasions, whether or not that’s me whether or not it’s the gross sales workforce,whether or not that’s the shopper assist specialists, they actually perceive what that you must do to get to threat faster and that’s that’s the important thing factor,perceive the dangers, get faster and defend the enterprise.

Isabelle Castro: 19:47

Do you assume that sort of basic view your shoppers are positively prepared for MICA and the trades on the stage of commerce surveillance wanted for the compliance with mica however in a basic form Have view? Do you assume different corporations throughout the house are prepared for this stage of commerce surveillance?Principally?

Johnathan Dixon: 20:14

Yeah, no, I assume, I assume, I’d say they’re conscious of what they should do. In the event that they’re not conscious they shouldn’t be in enterprise. However I’d say most of what they should do. Or they they’re most likely not all of them. However do they must be there? No, they’ve obtained time to get able to implement the plan, put together. Do I feel they’re on that journey?I’d say most in the event that they’re not doing it now that plan to get on board that that practice that you simply’re beginning within the not too distant future. I’d say that’s the important thing takeaway that they don’t must be studying,now they only must be making ready for it, they must be on that journey to make sure that they’re going to be there by the point they must be in2024. And it goes again to one of many factors I’ve been saying a couple of occasions. So apologies for repeating myself, in the event you can’t afford to do the answer, to make use of of solutions to competities RegTech options to make sure you have a surveillance platform in place. You may’t afford to be in enterprise. I feel corporations will pay attention to that, and they’ll do it. And that’s all the time been the case with excessive frequency merchants in Europe, for instance,and a few are gone. The prop retailers have mentioned, effectively, yeah, we do do a number of buying and selling, however we are able to’t afford to do surveillance,it’s too costly for us. And the FCA and different regulators are gone. Okay, then you may’t afford to coach. So you may go now that that’s it. So that you discovered a few of these prop retailers going again to their unique unique guys, they imploded and 5 years in the past, yeah, Can Can we are able to we be part of once more? Can we be unique members of your excessive frequency buying and selling firm. And that’s most likely the place commerce by commerce calls for will go together with a number of the much less ready, and fewer refined exchanges in Europe, they’ll be part of collectively shall be my resolution.Isabelle Castro: 21:58

What piece of recommendation would you give to those companies? I really feel such as you you’d say, once more, the in the event you can’t afford to do commerce surveillance, then you may’t afford to run. However would you give every other recommendation?

Johnathan Dixon: 22:16

When you use Eventus and you can be nice. I perceive may your threat and perceive what you are promoting. That’s what I’d say that basically make an effort to know the place the danger lies for what you are promoting. I feel occasions is a superb firm I feel that’s an excellent piece of recommendation for anybody, not even gives an ideal resolution. Nevertheless it is perhaps it is perhaps that you might provide an enhanced resolution. Given the character of what you are promoting, given the character of the way you commerce, you might construct one thing that covers your threat, I’m not suggesting I’m not advocating it. However till you perceive the character of your threat and the way what you are promoting works, and do a threat evaluation,you don’t know what that you must do. Now, I’d say a overwhelming majority of corporations will want a reg tech resolution, an enormous, overwhelming majority will do. Nevertheless it is perhaps achieved someday. However till you try this evaluation till you perceive your threat, do you rent a advisor, a commerce occasion specialist or commerce advance supervisor to undergo what you are promoting to know it to know the place the dangers lie, the place the manipulation methods may influence you have been the within of the dealing dangers. You’re gonna fall foul the regulation.So I wouldn’t say I mentioned too many occasions gonna burn you in my terribly boring. soliloquy is about understanding your threat.However I’d say simply do the danger evaluation, do the dangers,perceive your threat and take it from that.simply individuals with with reference to those laws, however typically, individuals ought to deal with their threat and perceive it.So on a extra, I’m going to the closing questions now. So on a private observe, what’s your favorite quote.now, as a result of I’m going to repeat that I’ve been utilizing all through the interview, however perceive the danger, get your threat faster comes from about us and basically my supervisor, I assumed it was so good. I’ve stolen it and used it as my each single interview I’ve that I’ve achieved that occasion. So perceive your threat and get to threat faster. I feel it’s a marvellous citation, since you simply mentioned, When you don’t perceive what what you are promoting is doing and the place your threat lies,you’re exposing your self and you may get to that threat faster with a reg tech resolution when that fireplace hiring a specialist to the or to construct out a strong compliance perform and an perspective you’re gonna be in danger. So yeah, I’m sorry, threat really threat faster.

Isabelle Castro: 24:52

Good. I like this. I like the way it runs by way of like the entire of the interviews. So I’m fairly proud of With that, and now your curveball query, who do you admire most? And why?

Johnathan Dixon: 25:07

Is Straightforward my dad?I obtained requested this in my interview occasion and my supervisor once more. So do you discuss your? Why is that? Effectively, there’s an ideal citation from Oscar Wilde. And this is perhaps a bit of bit incorrect by him, go for it. So there are two nice issues in life. And that’s that each man grows up desirous to be like his father, and invariably by no means is.And each girl grows up not desirous to be like a mom. However invariably, it’s I assumed that was a marvellous citation from us. Effectively, very humorous, very witty man, clearly. However my father is a really profitable life. He was a quantity eight for London, Irish on the age of 17. He performed towards New Zealand, to Africa.He’s been a monetary director,he’s raised 201, superb youngster, that’d be my sister. And when common youngster and me at the very least had a really loving,profitable, completely happy marriage, and he’s a totally beneficiant 30.Good man. And one of many issues he mentioned to me was, all the time be good to individuals on the way in which up,you by no means know while you may meet them on the way in which down, see,all the great quotes are popping out.

Isabelle Castro: 26:20

And it was nice, I get three for the worth of 1.

Johnathan Dixon: 26:24

I’m not solely a really good man, and a really profitable man. He’s additionally somebody all give all the time give him his time. And he’s gotten older and isn’t as match and ready as he was, and he’s nonetheless hitting the health club in his early 70s. Now he can’t. However I’m very, very, very appreciative of every thing. He’s given me all of the alternatives he’s given me. And the love he’s given me, led me to the place I’m.So my father has handed and I’d placed on that pedestal and doubtless Allah, Oscar Wilde by no means fairly obtain every thing he has. But when I can get shut,I’ll be a contented man.

Isabelle Castro: 26:56

Yeah, he sounds wonderful. I’d love to fulfill him. Carry him on the podcast subsequent time as effectively. We will we are able to carry your

Johnathan Dixon: 27:04

spouse loves my father, most likely greater than I do.And all for the ex girlfriends. Take heed to the previous of all. I like your dad. Obtained it?

Isabelle Castro: 27:15

Okay, in order that was the final query. How can individuals come up with you or observe you? Or something?

Johnathan Dixon: 27:25

I’m not giving up my cellular quantity. in spite of everything.On LinkedIn, I’m Jonathan Dixon.I don’t try to give away my firm my deal with, however me on LinkedIn. If anybody has any questions, I’m certain this podcast will attain them. I’m all the time completely happy to take them. I feel my contact particulars is perhaps the occasions web site as effectively. So if they’re out there on the web site, you may attain out to me I’m all the time completely happy to reply the questions. I do get the odd e-mail from distributors.I’m certain it’s out there on the on the occasions web site. Simply hit me up with any questions. At all times completely happy to talk.

Isabelle Castro: 28:00

Okay, cool.Thanks a lot for approaching.I’ve actually loved speaking to you. And yeah, have a extremely good remainder of your day.

Johnathan Dixon: 28:09

Thanks as effectively been a pleasure.

Isabelle Castro: 28:12

As all the time, you may attain out and chat with me on my private LinkedIn or Twitter @IZYCastrowrites. However for entry to nice each day content material, try Fintech Nexus on LinkedIn,Twitter, Fb, or Instagram.You may as well join our each day e-newsletter model new construction inbox. For extra Fintech podcast enjoyable, try the web site, the place yow will discover extra fascinating conversations posted by Peter Renton and Todd Anderson. That’s it from me.Till subsequent time, get pleasure from your downtime.

  • Isabelle is a journalist for Fintech Nexus Information and leads the Fintech Espresso Break podcast.

    Isabelle’s curiosity in fintech comes from a craving to know society’s speedy digitalization and its potential, a subject she has usually addressed throughout her educational pursuits and journalistic profession.



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